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	<title>Comments on: Do you use the alleyway from Stockfield to Yardley Road?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://acocks-green-neighbourhood-forum.org/2009/10/22/do-you-use-the-alleyway-from-stockfield-to-yardley-road/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is bonkers

We should all be walking more, but here we have proposed something that will discourage walking.

We should focus on fixing the problem, and enriching the life of Acocks Green residents, rather than just moving it onto somewhere else.  

How about some improved lighting, weeding, enforcement of existing laws (radical I know), perhaps some wire mesh over the top to prevent stuff being thrown over.

If you close it, ordinary people have lost out and the yobs have won.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bonkers</p>
<p>We should all be walking more, but here we have proposed something that will discourage walking.</p>
<p>We should focus on fixing the problem, and enriching the life of Acocks Green residents, rather than just moving it onto somewhere else.  </p>
<p>How about some improved lighting, weeding, enforcement of existing laws (radical I know), perhaps some wire mesh over the top to prevent stuff being thrown over.</p>
<p>If you close it, ordinary people have lost out and the yobs have won.</p>
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		<title>By: Gemma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gemma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a mum of children at Cottesbrooke I find the alley way a quick and safer way of getting the children to school (avoiding Yardley Road) but it seems to be used more as a dog toilet, excessive amounts at that! With that and the overgrown nettles it&#039;s hardly a nice place to walk through. I live on Augusta Road so we don&#039;t get the anti-social behaviour but I feel for the people who have to live next to it. I&#039;d never use it after dark because it isn&#039;t safe and I think if it can&#039;t be maintained then it should be closed off and the land given to the school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a mum of children at Cottesbrooke I find the alley way a quick and safer way of getting the children to school (avoiding Yardley Road) but it seems to be used more as a dog toilet, excessive amounts at that! With that and the overgrown nettles it&#8217;s hardly a nice place to walk through. I live on Augusta Road so we don&#8217;t get the anti-social behaviour but I feel for the people who have to live next to it. I&#8217;d never use it after dark because it isn&#8217;t safe and I think if it can&#8217;t be maintained then it should be closed off and the land given to the school.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lived in Langworth Avenue for 22 years and I agree with all of the comments posted regarding problems associated with the alleyway.  I have noticed over the years that day time use of the alley has dropped since the &quot;new&quot; estate was built so some other route has obviously been found by residents on the estate.  The lack of any decent shops now available on Yardley Rd has probably contributed towards this.

With regards to insurance claims, I have found it not viable to claim when my windows, fencing &amp; doors have been damaged because the excess has increased to such a level that it is cheaper to pay for repairs out of my own pocket + why bother the Police when the yobs responsible have already vanished into the night!

I bought this house thinking it was a safe place to raise my family but now it is a millstone round my neck and I am lumbered with it for the forseeable future.  
The Acocks Green area in general has detiorated over the years and seems to have coincided with Acocks Green Police Station being open on a  part time basis unlike the days when it was a divisional headquarters (&quot;E&quot; Division).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived in Langworth Avenue for 22 years and I agree with all of the comments posted regarding problems associated with the alleyway.  I have noticed over the years that day time use of the alley has dropped since the &#8220;new&#8221; estate was built so some other route has obviously been found by residents on the estate.  The lack of any decent shops now available on Yardley Rd has probably contributed towards this.</p>
<p>With regards to insurance claims, I have found it not viable to claim when my windows, fencing &amp; doors have been damaged because the excess has increased to such a level that it is cheaper to pay for repairs out of my own pocket + why bother the Police when the yobs responsible have already vanished into the night!</p>
<p>I bought this house thinking it was a safe place to raise my family but now it is a millstone round my neck and I am lumbered with it for the forseeable future.<br />
The Acocks Green area in general has detiorated over the years and seems to have coincided with Acocks Green Police Station being open on a  part time basis unlike the days when it was a divisional headquarters (&#8220;E&#8221; Division).</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am trying to work out, from the two responses from Barry and Ubua what the consensus, is, so far, on the nature of the bad behaviour.   Barry, mentions shouting and swearing (Which I get, late at night, where I live from the railway track behind my garden  quite a lot, too.).  Ubua doesn&#039;t mention this, but like Barry seems to think that the main problem is people throwing things.  Both mention broken windows and conservatories.  Barry says there have been &#039;several&#039; incidents of broken glass.  Ubau (who I presume lives in Langworth Avenue though it would helpful if he could confirm this) says there is broken glass &#039;every other day&#039;, although I presume he does not intend us to take him literally because this would would imply over 150 broken windows or conservatories a year between the 10 odd properties which seem to be involved. 

Ubau also goes on to say that insurance premiums are increasing in Langworth Avenue because of the number of claims.  Good - I mean not good for Langworth Avenue, but because this seems to be something concrete to go on, which, up until now, I think is what we have lacked in this discussion.  If there have been a number of insurance claims for criminal damage, then, each time, there would need to be a police log.  Insurance companies require this.  So there will be a record.  How many police logs for incidents of criminally damaged glass on the relevant side of Langworth Avenue are there?  It should not be impossible for residents to obtain their own logs, and to bring them to a meeting to discuss.  I think I am right in saying it takes up to 42 days to get the information after an application is made, but I am sure the police would be able to advise on the procedure, and time involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to work out, from the two responses from Barry and Ubua what the consensus, is, so far, on the nature of the bad behaviour.   Barry, mentions shouting and swearing (Which I get, late at night, where I live from the railway track behind my garden  quite a lot, too.).  Ubua doesn&#8217;t mention this, but like Barry seems to think that the main problem is people throwing things.  Both mention broken windows and conservatories.  Barry says there have been &#8216;several&#8217; incidents of broken glass.  Ubau (who I presume lives in Langworth Avenue though it would helpful if he could confirm this) says there is broken glass &#8216;every other day&#8217;, although I presume he does not intend us to take him literally because this would would imply over 150 broken windows or conservatories a year between the 10 odd properties which seem to be involved. </p>
<p>Ubau also goes on to say that insurance premiums are increasing in Langworth Avenue because of the number of claims.  Good &#8211; I mean not good for Langworth Avenue, but because this seems to be something concrete to go on, which, up until now, I think is what we have lacked in this discussion.  If there have been a number of insurance claims for criminal damage, then, each time, there would need to be a police log.  Insurance companies require this.  So there will be a record.  How many police logs for incidents of criminally damaged glass on the relevant side of Langworth Avenue are there?  It should not be impossible for residents to obtain their own logs, and to bring them to a meeting to discuss.  I think I am right in saying it takes up to 42 days to get the information after an application is made, but I am sure the police would be able to advise on the procedure, and time involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is easy to say that no one was hurt (are you waiting for that before you realise its a serious problem for the residents) and it helps with this and it helps with that, every other day one window or a consevatory is damaged by these youths, who is going to pay the bill, if you are thinking about Insurance than yeah but claiming on insurance increase the premium.

The premium is increasing every year cause people living in the avenue have too many claims recently and the insurance guy&#039;s knows that its a troubled street. 

To keep it open is a benefit to you but a loss to people living there, closing it will not be a loss to you as people on the state can access yardley road from Augusta road (which make there journey 80-100m longer), and its not a public right of way anyway.

Mumblers and Jumblers association, whoever they are need to spend sometime educating those youths, if they can stop them causing trouble in (langworth avenue) residents backyards then Resident have no objection on the alleyway remained open.

Don&#039;t shoot the messenger if you cant solve the problem. And dont object to something you feel like its your birth right to object to each and every thing thats happening in the village. 

The residents are facing a real problem, they cant allow their kids to play in backyard cause of the fear that a stray  stone or cane from a drunk/drugy youth will harm them.

Be part of the solution]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to say that no one was hurt (are you waiting for that before you realise its a serious problem for the residents) and it helps with this and it helps with that, every other day one window or a consevatory is damaged by these youths, who is going to pay the bill, if you are thinking about Insurance than yeah but claiming on insurance increase the premium.</p>
<p>The premium is increasing every year cause people living in the avenue have too many claims recently and the insurance guy&#8217;s knows that its a troubled street. </p>
<p>To keep it open is a benefit to you but a loss to people living there, closing it will not be a loss to you as people on the state can access yardley road from Augusta road (which make there journey 80-100m longer), and its not a public right of way anyway.</p>
<p>Mumblers and Jumblers association, whoever they are need to spend sometime educating those youths, if they can stop them causing trouble in (langworth avenue) residents backyards then Resident have no objection on the alleyway remained open.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t shoot the messenger if you cant solve the problem. And dont object to something you feel like its your birth right to object to each and every thing thats happening in the village. </p>
<p>The residents are facing a real problem, they cant allow their kids to play in backyard cause of the fear that a stray  stone or cane from a drunk/drugy youth will harm them.</p>
<p>Be part of the solution</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://acocks-green-neighbourhood-forum.org/2009/10/22/do-you-use-the-alleyway-from-stockfield-to-yardley-road/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was brought up on council estates and you will never be able to stop anti-social behaviour. The problem will just move to another part of the estate i.e. back to the park. Once these youths get fed up of it and do move on, you&#039;ll then get the next generation of youths and so it will go on. 

Personally, I think closing the alley will cause a more problems. Has anyone thought about the increase in volume of traffic and kids using the Cedars Avenue entrance to the school. More driveways having their access blocked by inconsiderate drivers. More cars flying up and down Cedars Avenue, like they do, along with the extra pedestrians. How long before a child gets knocked over?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was brought up on council estates and you will never be able to stop anti-social behaviour. The problem will just move to another part of the estate i.e. back to the park. Once these youths get fed up of it and do move on, you&#8217;ll then get the next generation of youths and so it will go on. </p>
<p>Personally, I think closing the alley will cause a more problems. Has anyone thought about the increase in volume of traffic and kids using the Cedars Avenue entrance to the school. More driveways having their access blocked by inconsiderate drivers. More cars flying up and down Cedars Avenue, like they do, along with the extra pedestrians. How long before a child gets knocked over?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further to this debate - just in case anyone has missed it, might I suggest this link: 

Looks like the matter will be discussed at the next Ward Meeting, on Wednesday, at Severn Road School.  

http://rogerharmer.mycouncillor.org.uk/2009/10/31/acocks-green-ward-committee-weds-4th-november/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to this debate &#8211; just in case anyone has missed it, might I suggest this link: </p>
<p>Looks like the matter will be discussed at the next Ward Meeting, on Wednesday, at Severn Road School.  </p>
<p><a href="http://rogerharmer.mycouncillor.org.uk/2009/10/31/acocks-green-ward-committee-weds-4th-november/" rel="nofollow">http://rogerharmer.mycouncillor.org.uk/2009/10/31/acocks-green-ward-committee-weds-4th-november/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://acocks-green-neighbourhood-forum.org/2009/10/22/do-you-use-the-alleyway-from-stockfield-to-yardley-road/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just one correction before a misunderstanding develops.  I did not say that &#039;No-one had been seriously hurt.&#039; I asked if anyone had been hurt (ie seriously or otherwise) it sounds as though not?  

Would it be possible to keep a log of these incidents, over, say, six months, to assess just how serious the problem is?  The youths have been moved on from drinking in the park?  Presumably if they are prevented from using the alleyway they will go either somewhere else, where they are likely to continue to be a nuisance to someone else ... or back to the park?  Dare I suggest it might be less nuisance to allow them to use the park?  OR - better still, perhaps it is time to think about providing somewhere where they could go?  Vaporisation of annoying youths might seem tempting, but I don&#039;t think it is a solution currently on offer in Acocks Green!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one correction before a misunderstanding develops.  I did not say that &#8216;No-one had been seriously hurt.&#8217; I asked if anyone had been hurt (ie seriously or otherwise) it sounds as though not?  </p>
<p>Would it be possible to keep a log of these incidents, over, say, six months, to assess just how serious the problem is?  The youths have been moved on from drinking in the park?  Presumably if they are prevented from using the alleyway they will go either somewhere else, where they are likely to continue to be a nuisance to someone else &#8230; or back to the park?  Dare I suggest it might be less nuisance to allow them to use the park?  OR &#8211; better still, perhaps it is time to think about providing somewhere where they could go?  Vaporisation of annoying youths might seem tempting, but I don&#8217;t think it is a solution currently on offer in Acocks Green!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to point out that the alleyway has been a problem for the residents of Langworth Avenue for many years forcing some residents to move house because of the danger of bricks stones bottles etc being thrown over from the alleyway and has been more so in the last (MAYBE)15 years or so since the caretaker at the school stopped locking the gate which was at the bottom of the alleyway and now removed. One comment was that so far no one has been seriously hurt, should someone be hurt before action is taken. I for one do not think so. Several windows have been smashed by cans, bottles and stones etc being thrown over fences some narrowly missing children either in the houses or playing in the garden. The resident near the park have petitioned the police to stop the youths drinking in the park but all that has done is move the problem to the Alleyway, where lighting has been vandalised graffiti spread and abuse and bad language shouted at all times of night, ask yourself WOULD YOU LIKE IT IN YOUR BACK YARD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to point out that the alleyway has been a problem for the residents of Langworth Avenue for many years forcing some residents to move house because of the danger of bricks stones bottles etc being thrown over from the alleyway and has been more so in the last (MAYBE)15 years or so since the caretaker at the school stopped locking the gate which was at the bottom of the alleyway and now removed. One comment was that so far no one has been seriously hurt, should someone be hurt before action is taken. I for one do not think so. Several windows have been smashed by cans, bottles and stones etc being thrown over fences some narrowly missing children either in the houses or playing in the garden. The resident near the park have petitioned the police to stop the youths drinking in the park but all that has done is move the problem to the Alleyway, where lighting has been vandalised graffiti spread and abuse and bad language shouted at all times of night, ask yourself WOULD YOU LIKE IT IN YOUR BACK YARD.</p>
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		<title>By: Alleyways in Acocks Green &#124; Acocks Green Focus Group</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alleyways in Acocks Green &#124; Acocks Green Focus Group]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Acocks Green Neighbourhood Forum have started a debate on their blog.  Should we protect our rights to use our alleyways in Acocks Green.  What do you think?  Read their posting,  and leave your comments, on their blog, which you can link to  here [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Acocks Green Neighbourhood Forum have started a debate on their blog.  Should we protect our rights to use our alleyways in Acocks Green.  What do you think?  Read their posting,  and leave your comments, on their blog, which you can link to  here [...]</p>
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